Find us on Google+

Wednesday, 24 June 2009

Photo of the day

And the story behind this image (taken by The Post) can be found here and here.

And now the video:


  1. It took a monkey! Nice. Lol!

  2. Our opposition are now completely mesmerized by the monkey pissing on the president’s jacket so much that they have forgotten to respond to his comments. All the media houses are concentrating on opposition comments about the pissing monkey instead of national issues. It appears our opposition are easily misled - even by a pissing monkey!

  3. This is the meaning of 'piss off'!

  4. And how does this reduce poverty or increase civil servants salaries which already consume 50% of our national budget? How does this improve Copper prices or increase agricultural output? How does this improve road networks, health care and education? What positive outcome will arise from your idea of "piss off" besides emotional gratification? RB is still president!

  5. FMD please the monkey did piss off! This is a fact and I was merely stating it. Iam not particularly exercised whether or not Rupiah Banda is still president or not. Frankly my dear I dont give a damn. I wish you and Rupiah all the best!

  6. This comment has been removed by the author.

  7. We keep telling these guys to have a bit of a 'thick skin', if not to withstand satire then at least it should come in handy against monkey pee!

  8. Yesterday evening I went to a local drinking spot called Green Garden. A lot of the people who come there (drunkards) are PF & UPND supporters. Like you, Frank, the laughed at the monkey pissing on RB’s jacket but to my surprise, they all were in agreement that the president told off the opposition for behaving irresponsibly. They said RB made more sense on this press conference than ever before. They praised him for reminding us of our family values, culture and respect. They praised him for putting the civil service in check by bringing an end to out of town workshops, expensive car procurement and unnecessary trips outside Zambia. They praised him for reminding nurses that they chose to become nurses in order to serve the weak and ill, and that by allowing innocent people to die, they were betraying their own consciousness over more money! They all agreed that if RB carries himself this way, he’ll win with a landslide in 2011. I went home a happy and sober man knowing that Zambia is not made up of buffoons who only see negatives in anything our government does. I went home a happy man because as much as I feel we as a country can do better than RB, I now realize than RB is not as bad as Sata who killed innocent people in the Chawama by-election or HH who drained of all its resources Luanshya Mine just to drive luxury German cars.

  9. Mind your artery man! Dont get overexercised! The monkey had a pee! Just google this and you will see what I am talking about. Everyone is having a laugh! What is your problem man? Havent you noticed the contents of this blog? It is not about the cheap and meaningless tussle among the MMD, UPND and PF supporters. It is about serious intellectual intercourse and an ocassional laugh when warranted.

  10. What's so intellectual about a monkey pissing on the presidents jacket when many Zambians live below a US$ a day? What’s so intellectual about ignoring the fact that our poverty levels are above 68% and focusing on monkeys piss instead? I do agree that this blog is designed to entertain intellectual views and this is why I expect an intellectual response from you and not Kaponya type debate. Practice what you preach! Zambians need economic help not a jester!

  11. I agree with FMD. Just the other day, Obama swallowed a fly. Does this make him dung? I suggest we stick to what we set out which is to debate Zambias economic chalenges. If not, we might as well talk about Bush's pretzel choke, Obama's fly and Banda's pissed on jacket, to name a few. Zambians are suffering and all we can do monkey around with piss!

  12. RB mentioned some interesting mathematics yesterday.

    1 % of the pupulation are employeed by government yet government is still understaffed hence fails in many sectors to deliver public service.

    Should government increase the public service work force hence increase the size of the piece of cake of the national budget? Or downsize and have an even more ineffective public service whilst saving on the wagebill?

    These are the problems that face this country! RB understands this!
    Ain't no monkey business!

  13. Come to think of it, this shows RB is an environmentalist and is at one with nature. At a time when everyone is expected to maintain the environment, the President or Zambia has gone further be embracing nature at his official residence.

    Monkeys, Antelopes, peacocks... It's a monkeys way of showing appreciation. We know that animals in the wild urinate on their most prized possessions to mark their territory.

    Buffoons wouldn't understand this, but the monkeys have spoken. They are clearly very protective over RB and his continued stay at State House.

  14. Eh bwana I am not a supporter of any political party in Zambia. Second, I was referring to this blog i.e The Zambian Economist as 'intellectual'. The monkey piss is something to laugh about, honestly. I certainly dont know where you are coming from. Pleaseeee spare me the grief! And desist from name calling. Check for my contributions on this blog and please inform if I have ever called anyone names. My friend I am not a kaponya. It is a mark of a man's intellect if you can go through an argument without resorting to insults and gutter language. Please reread this thread and ask yourself why you are coming out so toxic. What is the point of your contribution to a social blog when you are incapable of civil discourse? If you have a disagreement with me just say so you dont have to call me names. And to belabour the point: I am not a party political animal. I do not belong to or support any political party in zambia.

  15. All,

    I agree with Frank, we strive hard on this website to mantain respect for individuals. It is simply not permissible to call or imply another person is a buffoon or Kaponya.

    I recognise many of the commentators are new here, but let us be clear, we value civility more than web hits. I'll not hesitate to delete material that discourages progress dialogue.

    This is not Lusaka Times.



  16. HumorlessnotMe!25 June 2009 at 16:02

    Dear oh Dear when did Mr Spook swallow a fly? We have a lot of story tellers here! There is no running away from this: The monkey didnt give a damn about what RB was saying; It was simply pisst off! Actions certainly speak louder than words. lol!

  17. Indeed, just to clear up any misconceptions, President Obama swatted a fly during a television interview, he did not consume it (though it certainly would have been a bigger story if he had)! Of course, this being America, the Animal Rights lobby did release public statements to condemn him for killing the insect. I am not certain if they would have been more or less upset had he proceeded to eat it afterward.

  18. The silly primate should have followed it up with a "No. 2", (know what I mean?) just when His Excellency glanced to confirm if the heavens had sent the 'holy water'.

    On President Obama's brush with nature, I must have been watching a faked clip or Chinese whispers have taken their toll on it.

  19. How do you expect our government to take you seriously with this kind of approach, Cho! Please stop calling Frank a Buffoon and a Kaponya. He is just making meaningful contribution over a monkey’s piss. So far you are the only one showering insults or fabricating that someone has been insulted here. Read through again and you'll see that its plain English! Nothing complicated. Now lets talk about real economics like how much government will save by Presidents Banda’s action of reducing on outside workshops, expensive cars and trips outside Zambia. I'm sure you created this blog not to tarnish anyone’s image (especially our Government & its executive) but to discuss Zambian economics, right?

  20. FMD,

    We are not here to tarnish anyone's image.

    This website has an open policy on publication, with the caveat that the published material should be consistent with existing standards. If you find that a post is written here that does not accord with your vision of Zambia or the Presidency or Africa you can submit your post and it will be published.

    I always think its intellectual laziness to talk about demeaning Zambia or being anti government. People should be prepared to put in intellectual capital to argue their case WITHOUT perpetuating personal attacks.

    That said I welcome your dogged defence of the President. I am sure he does as well, especially now that even the animal kingdom has also declared a "fail"!....just kiddin....

  21. Read through the Blog and you'll see a pattern, Cho! A pattern very similar to that of the publications of the Post Newspaper. Only when you see this can we discuss this standard that you have set for the blog which is synonymous with the pattern. In the mean time, i would not be wrong to brand your blog anti-government because this is very clear.

  22. Brian,

    I can only repeat what I have said :

    "This website has an open policy on publication, with the caveat that the published material should be consistent with existing standards. If you find that a post is written here that does not accord with your vision of Zambia or the Presidency or Africa you can submit your post and it will be published"

    It is incumbent upon you to write articles that restores your idea of balance. We do the best we can. At-least here you have a chance to put your side. The Daily Mail and Times dont give you this opportunity. Neither does the Post. So its down to you. Are you going to take up the challenge.

  23. As for FMD, I would simply say you have written previously guest pieces on this website which have been published e.g. Political or Economic Leadership? Which way for MMD? (Guest Blog)

  24. I get curious, its just my nature I suppose, so I went back through the last 30 days worth of blog posts, and made a list of where links went (other than to other parts of the blog). Here's what I got:

    Times/Mail: 7 links
    Post: 16 links
    Ministry/Gov: 4 links
    Lusaka Times: 1 link
    Watchdog: 1 link (discontinued)
    Other Zambian Sources: 24
    International Sources: 32

    I agree that it is a bit heavy on Post coverage on the domestic end, but I feel a bit responsible for that, as I used to take more time to repost articles from publicly accessible government sources from around the region. As someone without a Post subscription, I appreciate the delayed reprints from people like Cho who are willing to pull out the few articles which might be politically relevant. I read the Times (both of Zambia and Lusaka) and Daily Mail on my own with no problem. I shunned the Watchdog when it closed its archives, re-embraced it when it liberalized its site again (and made sure to hit all its adverts whenever I visited), and now it may be out of commission more or less permanently.

    I don't speak for anyone but myself of course, but I am an opinionated S.O.B. and I can pretty well guarantee that I would have just as many criticisms of PF or UPND or UNIP or whoever happened to be in charge. It is part of the price for being in charge in a free society, you are the one who gets criticized the most, because you are the one who is actually empowered to do stuff. Journalists get bored just critiquing shadow government hypotheticals.

  25. Yakima,

    Very useful assessment.

    I would only add that the Post's coverage is also simply much deeper than other domestic outlets, atleast in meeting our needs. They actually have variation in their columns. So what I have done is that where it is simply a case of reporting news, best to refer to Reuters or some other "non-Zambian source" in the first instance. But what we are really interested in is deeper assessments of issues from watchers of Zambia - so we put more emphasis on Op'eds...unfortunately, the Daily, Times, Watchdog and Lusaka Times have poor Op'eds.... so we are left with articles in columns in The Post from the likes of Henriott, Fackson Banda, etc to discuss and analyse. The Times are coming up slightly and we make every effort to discuss their analysis.

    All of this simply re-emphasises where Zambian Economist fit into other media. We are not a news website per se, but an analytical platform....that allows those analysing issues at a much deeper level to be heard.

  26. Yakima,

    Unfortunately, this is in part exactly what the external financing of mining operations is designed to combat, and should Zambia take action against seemingly isolated and vulnerable mining companies, she may find herself embroiled in a feud with the international banks much as Zimbabwe has.

    I like your analysis of the mines and financing, but we have to disagree with what happened in Zimbabwe. More than being in a fued with the banks, Zimbabwe was put under sanctions over it's independent pro-Zimbabwean, pro-African policies, by the illegal administration of George Bush, aided by the neoliberal government of Tony Blair. The economic sanctions contained in the Zimbabwe Democracy and Economic Recovery Act of 2001, where the US used it's vetos in international finance institutions to destroy the economy of an African state.

    (It is a little hard to argue that the support for a fellow government in Africa through SADC is somehow worse than the illegal invasion of a country under false pretenses, leading to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of not a million people; or to complain about the lack of democratic content of elections when one has come to power by manipulating elections and then still having to steal them through a stacked Supreme court).

    From my perspective, this is why economic diversification and infrastructure development is so crucial, because until Zambia can demonstrate a positive balance of trade in general, and especially with regard to income from mines and expenditure on energy (and fertilizer!), she will be unable to effectively dictate the terms under which mineral extraction is to take place within the nation.

    Can we agree that economic diversification is not going to happen until the mines finance other economic sectors?

    And why should Zambia's return on it's mines only be reasonable?

    My problem is not that Zambia or the government did not manage to negotiate a good deal, but that it has within it's ranks individuals who are more interested in their own selfinterest, than in the interest of the nation.

    When even former finance minister Maganda needs to admonish new finance minister Musokotwane not to go overboard in protecting the mine's shareholders (calling the windfall tax introduced by Magande 'onerous'), you know they are not looking out for the people or the country.

  27. Cho,

    I cannot believe that this monkey joke has resulted in you being put on the defence on allegations of bias against the current Zambian government. It's got absolutely nothing to do with that.

    Have some Zambians lost their sense of humour or what? A monkey pissing on a person is funny; but a monkey pissing on the President is extremely funny! I mean, how often does it happen in a lifetime?

    C'mon folks, loosen up. There're hundreds of serious topics on this platform open for public debate, a 'luxury' that the mainstream Zambian media does not extend to people expressing opposite views to theirs. If people want serious debate, they could just pick any of those topics and off load their hearts contents. For now, please don't spoil the joke.

  28. MrK,

    I think that this comment was meant to be here, so that's where I have put my response. Thanks!


All contributors should follow the basic principles of a productive dialogue: communicate their perspective, ask, comment, respond,and share information and knowledge, but do all this with a positive approach.

This is a friendly website. However, if you feel compelled to comment 'anonymously', you are strongly encouraged to state your location / adopt a unique nick name so that other commentators/readers do not confuse your comments with other individuals also commenting anonymously.